Praying for Twin Falls: Processing the Active Shooter Tragedy

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SPEAKER_01 0:13

And we are back to nobody's who know nothing, myself and Robert Watson, almost every Monday at uh seven o'clock bes uh Eastern time. Gosh dang it. Gotta remember the stupid times, Robert. What's happening, man?

SPEAKER_00 0:29

I think we're gonna go with the moniker most Mondays.

SPEAKER_01 0:33

Most Mondays, yeah. You know, it's most Mondays. It's funny how um, I don't know, last week I just there's days where you just don't sleep well, right? And I wasn't feeling well. I wasn't sleeping, I didn't sleep well. It just was one of those days, and it's like it happens every so often with both of us. It's like, ah, well, I didn't get up and I didn't feel like doing it, and I'm just tired. So it is what it is.

SPEAKER_00 0:52

Yeah, it absolutely is. How was your week? And uh what is uh you guys have a little social conflict in your state.

SPEAKER_01 0:59

Holy smokes, man. You know, it uh it is pretty interesting to see what happened. Um so in Twin Falls, which is a couple hours away from here, I'm assuming that's what you're talking about. There was a active, they call it an active shooter, which I was actually watching. I took my daughter to the movies this weekend and uh I was watching Spider-Man with her because her and I kind of have this thing where we go to the comic book movies together because I like them and she does as well. So my wife stayed home with my son, and I took her and and I get out of there, and my friend Cece, who hops in here every so often, texted me, said, Hey, are you guys okay? There's an active shooter in Twin Falls, and she doesn't, you know, people don't know kind of where I live, and she's she lives in New York, so it's like I don't expect her to know that, and she was just checking on me to make sure I was okay, but it's about two hours away. And I also actually work in Twin Falls from time to time. So um there was a shooting at the at the In and Out, which is brand new there. I mean, it's probably it wasn't open the last time I was there, which was probably I don't know, a month ago. And a guy came out and just started open fire on people, and we didn't we didn't know a whole lot about it yet. Um, but when she texted me, and I assume this has got to be the same way it is in Texas, but when she texted me and she told me that there was an active shooter, I said, Well, you know, I'm not surprised, or I would be surprised if the active shooter didn't get shot by someone other than law enforcement, because in Idaho, everyone carries, you know. Um I mean, the only reason I don't right now is because I don't have they have a they have two different permits you can get. One's a concealed carry, which allows you to carry everywhere, and then the other one is an uh a uh enhanced permit, which will allow you to carry in some buildings like colleges and things like that. So you have to have certain training to do that and know the laws or whatever, but Idaho is also open carry, and I think Texas is the same way, right? They're open carry you can carry wherever you want. And so when I feel like you see all these gun regulations everywhere you go, that the more regulation, the you know, the the more that you have these other scenarios where these people are walking around, they they get the guns illegally and they're not carrying, you know, that way. And so I don't know a whole lot about what's going on, but I had told CC, I said, you know, it's funny that the guy's not dead yet, because I can guarantee you that someone's gonna someone would have popped him. You know, I would have been surprised if it was a citizen, not law enforcement, and lo and behold, it's what happened. Uh a citizen stopped it. I don't know uh we don't know all the details, but the citizen was the one who I believe took care of the scenario. And I mean, it's it's weird. It's crazy. You would have never thought it happened in Idaho just because of that scenario, you know.

SPEAKER_00 3:53

Well, you know, crazy doesn't actually have any limits to it. Right. Um they really you know, we've had when I grew up, guys would have uh literally rifles on their gun rack in the back of their pickup truck on the window. Okay. Same here.

SPEAKER_01 4:13

I mean, that's not so normal. Yeah, that was what it was in the 90s, too. Like it was the same thing in the school that I grew up with. Guys were taking shotguns with them everywhere they went because when they got done with school, they were going hunting.

SPEAKER_00 4:26

Yeah, this wasn't this wasn't some kind of malicious stuff. This was country folk, right? And I I say that straight up. No different than the carrying of pocket knives, which were everybody whittled, right? I mean, some of us whittled worse than others, of course, but it was just one of those little habits of, you know, you grew up as a kid when you got to a certain age, your dad introduced you to a pocket knife, introduced you to a block of wood. Um, you introduced your first BB gun, then your pellet gun, then you're 22. You know, it was a it was a progression of uh male childhood, for better or worse. That was what we had. And especially growing up small town. Now I know that big towns were very different, but I grew up in small towns, so that's kind of the way the world was. So it was very shocking to me, and and everybody was not everybody, but the super, super majority of people were extremely uh gun safety, gun um, you know, you just don't do that. They were very um uh uh understanding of the process and what they had in their hands, the same thing with a pocket knife. That you know, everybody just kind of had that, it was a norm, an understanding. And it every in the word everybody is too much because it's again back to supermajority, because there was always the outlier, the other person that would act irresponsible. Um you know, and then I saw the generation of my kids, now my kids are grown, and now the next generation of kids, and kids are becoming um less and less outdoors, less and less free to do things, and and you have active shooters, which is pretty bizarre. And it's not that you didn't have them on occasion back in the day, but it seems odder and odder now, and also the the ideas and the rationalizations for why they're doing it seem odder and odder.

SPEAKER_01 6:25

Yeah. Well, I mean, I remember I'm trying, I don't know what year it was, but I'm sure you remember it um as I did. But there was at one point there was a postal guy who went into the post office and shot everyone up. He worked there, and he remember it was going postal. Oh no, they're gonna go postal. That was the thing, right? That was the joke. And it wasn't funny, but that's what we said. Like anytime we thought anyone was gonna do that. And I just I don't know. I don't understand how anyone could even do this. I mean, there's so many things going on. Um who knows what the story is. Um, it it's because we don't know, right? We don't know yet. And we'll it'll come out what had happened, but the last ones have been people who are just mentally ill. It's what it is, and that's from what I understand. This guy had a mental problem, but we don't know what, we don't know his motive, we don't know why he did it yet. Um, you know, it's it is it's a big thing. It was national news. I didn't she had texted me about it, and I went and looked right off the bat, and it was it was on the national news already. So it's it's a big thing, and um, you know, the the thing that people have to remember because the first thing that they're gonna do is they're gonna start talking about gun control again, right? We're gonna say, oh, well, we need to have gun control, we need to have this, because this is always the always it, this is always where it goes. And in my mind, it goes to the person who was holding on to the gun is the person who is the problem. And, you know, it's a hot take, maybe it's my thoughts on the whole thing, but at what point do we not start doing some testing of these people? You know, like you have to pass like police officers, for instance, have to go through some rigorous mental testing to make sure that they can, because they're gonna be in those situations more often to be able to do that. Now, I'm not saying it has to be a big thing, but they do have to have some sort of something attached to what's going on, because if they're not doing some sort of mental test or checking some sort of background with them, how are these people getting it? But on the same hand, I can see the other side because it's not gonna matter, right? That person can get the gun no matter what way they want, they'll figure out a way to get it because criminals don't care, right? They're gonna find a way. Whether you can take their rights away as you know, like a felon or whatever it is to have a weapon, it doesn't stop them from going to get a weapon. They're still gonna find a way to get one.

SPEAKER_00 8:57

Yeah, I I I kind of lean toward you, and there there's a couple of reasons. Um you have to get a license to drive a four or five thousand-pound car because it can do quite a bit of damage in because you're um sharing a road not based upon barricades, not based upon uh real protection, but you're you're doing it based upon norms. You know, that little uh line in the middle of the road isn't isn't you know, it's not gonna blow your car up if you cross it. So we we we learn to to get along in in the system and obey the rules, right? But to do it, we take an exam. We're not no one tells you you can't buy a car. Right. What they're telling you is you can't drive the car until you get to this level of understanding. And and and we know because we all drive that some people have better driving skills and better driving hygiene than others. I I don't think it's a bad idea to to say to people, hey, listen, you know, for you to have a weapon, um, you need to have some basic understanding of it. And if you make the course incredibly cheap and you make it readily available, um, I think that you're doing a s a public good, you know, a social good, by basically saying, hey, listen, it's 12 bucks. Right. It's a one-day course, we're gonna get you, you know, uh oriented with what you do and don't do with a weapon. You know, that's the that's what would it do? Yes, it creates a little bit of a barrier. Yes, it creates all this. But here's the thing think about this. If we stopped one one shooter a year, just one, isn't that worth it?

SPEAKER_01 10:42

Yeah. You know, if you know the the funny thing about it too is I I got so much to say on this, it's kind of interesting, but like I I was my dad hunted and fished when he was a kid, just like you talked about, you know, his dad gave him a BB gun, his dad gave him, like I went through that whole progression and I do not I I own them, but I do not hunt and fish, you know. Like I I target practice and I shoot um clay pigeons and things like that. Those are the things that I do and I enjoy doing with with uh the the guns that I have. But what is crazy is that um I had to, it's not crazy, but I took hunter safety, right? And one of the concealed weapons permits you can get here, they accept hunter safety as the so if I took my hunter safety card into where you get the permit, I could just get the one that is I could carry everywhere except for some of the like I think it's like at colleges. I'd have to look at the rules again because during COVID, I took the class because the enhanced class basically goes through all the legal legal ramifications of what can happen. You have to go and sit down and do the legal, then they actually go in and they sit down and they talk to you, and then they take you out, and you got to put 100 rounds through a gun at the range and prove that you can do it before you get your permit. The other one, you take hunter safety. Well, hunter safety, for those of anyone who's taken it, it's the same sort of deal. You sit through a class as I think I was probably 10 or 11 with my dad sitting next to me, and we we all listened and talked about cleaning game, how you shoot, bows and arrows, rifles, pistols, all the different types of guns, and then went out to the range and shot for a day. But after we got that permit, we still didn't go hunt without an adult. So you look at like um these permits that they are, you know, they're handing these out. You have your hunter safety cards, you can go out and hunt, but it's kind of like a learner's permit. You get your learner's permit, you get to drive with your parent, you get to drive with someone who has done this before for a long time and learn how to do something. And that was kind of what it was like. We went hunting and fishing with my dad, we did those things with him until we were of a certain age, and then we were able to go by ourselves. But if you're just handing over weapons to people who don't know how to use them, they don't know what the ramifications of what they're doing and and all that, that is a problem. I mean, you've got to figure out some way to teach kids how to handle these, and they're not going anywhere. I feel like people just think, oh, let's do another law, and just like just like Nikki said in the chat, criminals do not follow rules. That's all there is to it. So it's it's one of those things that's just like sex said, you don't talk about it, it's gonna happen. People are gonna, kids are gonna get pregnant, all these things are gonna happen. You have to talk about it instead of just hiding it.

SPEAKER_00 13:45

Yeah, and wow, that's such a great point. I mean, we are in the place in our world where this discussion needs to be had. It needs to not be from an absolutist perspective, like the the it's absolutely you have your gun rights, it's sacrosanct. Now hold on a second. You know, it's 1776. Think about the density of where you had people, and this this is putting yourself in a position where you're saying that everything's the same. And and I agree that you should absolutely unequivocally, you know, listen, I put on a uniform, I stood a post, I protected your rights to to keep and bear arms, no question. Um but get let's get a little real here. Uh a safety course is not gonna kill anybody in this situation, but a gun will. And so if you make an impact and you save one life, it's worth it.

SPEAKER_01 14:46

Um yeah, and it's funny to me because two things I want to bring up, and I'll I'll bring the one up and I'll mention the other because I don't want to forget about it. But we talk about these deaths and how guns are killing people. The reality is that most people don't understand that the most deaths occur in a car, not in a with a gun. So, like the most deaths in this world, so like we're talking about taking away something that there's less of because we don't like it. So we should start taking away cars too. That's number one. You know, that's my thought process. And number two, you had mentioned that you were military, right? Like your former military. We've talked about this before multiple times. Now, part of your training was at the range, I'm assuming, because they're not gonna just give some guy a weapon and say, go do this and figure it out on your own, right? So in the military, they train people how to use guns too. This is not you had to take that safety class. They're not just gonna go, hey Robert, here you go. See ya, go have fun, you know, figure it out. It's it's uh if we expect that our military needs to be trained to do it, then why shouldn't we expect that our children need to be, you know, it's not that they have to go carry one, but they should at least know what one is capable of doing before they, you know.

SPEAKER_00 16:02

Right, and and and I think you can probably also say that, you know, we were shooting what kind of weapon in 1776 and where are we at now?

SPEAKER_01 16:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:13

Um, so let's be a little bit sensitive to the fact that time does matter, circumstances do matter. I think we can move a little bit forward and absolutely protect the right to to keep and bear arms. I don't think adding a gun safety course, I and I know everybody thinks this is some kind of slippery slope to taking guns.

SPEAKER_01 16:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:41

I'm you know, I'm not again, yeah, okay, fine, maybe. But the reality is I think it would make a difference. I I do. Now, again, I haven't seen the data. I'm not sure how you test a null hypothesis in this case, which is the idea that if we don't do anything that I can test the other side of the equation, which is how many lives did it save when I didn't do anything? I mean, that's kind of crazy. I think if we introduced it, um, you know, like for example, Texas could do introduce it in uh big cities or what wherever, pick some places, yeah. And introduce it slowly and see if there's any kind of impact. Look at the data. But let's move a little bit away from the model of what I consider almost the crazy model, which is everybody gets under all circumstances, and at least somewhat say, hey, hold on a second, that's that's really not smart. Like you said, how do we just discern what a crazy person is? And do you really want to let them hand have a weapon? No, I don't. Now, does a knife count as a weapon? Sure. Are we going to start taking stake knives away? Come on, let's let's get our analogies right. We're not talking about that. We're we're talking about something that we don't hunt to live, especially in big cities. Okay, so that that and that's gone. I absolutely believe you should be able to protect your home and that. Absolutely, and I don't believe you should take weapons away from felons that didn't use weapons in their felony. So a felony DWI loses his right to weapons.

SPEAKER_01 18:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:20

That's the way it is. And that that's that's you know, again, let's look at this and break this down a little bit and start moving ourselves toward more of a compassionate, insane version of a policy that says, let's at least test what you said, a hunter safety course, a gun safety course. And again, listen, how about we fund it and the class is free? Okay, so we can get away from the, you know, we're we're picking on poor people or what, you know, all that stuff. Let's find a way to at least begin to test the thesis and see if there can be some kind of positive impact. Because I know as well as you do, my father was responsible for, and my father was um also had a um hunting accident and he was shot. And that was the same father that took me to the range and actually was a gun safety advocate, of course, because it was a legitimate accident, and somebody forgot to put it on safe. The weapon fell over and it discharged.

SPEAKER_01 19:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:23

Okay. Again, and so what did he do? He ended up teaching it and he did the concealed carry courses. So it wasn't like he he was pushing away from the negative of weapons, even though there were. What he was saying was, hey, listen, there's a safer way to do this.

SPEAKER_01 19:38

Yeah. Yeah.

unknown 19:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:40

And I I just I it's the funny thing is like I feel like that is, I don't know, it it just kind of seems like a no-brainer, you know, require require this class, you know. Even you don't even have to you you could just teach about it, right? Say, hey, this is what happens. I mean, obviously the impact of what that's gonna be is gonna be a little bit different. It definitely will not happen in schools, I'm sure it has to be something that's extracurricular because if they did, there would be so many different things that come out about it. But educating kids on the dangers of this scenario, like I said, it's the same as teaching sex ed in a health class. That's what it is, like the dangers of what you do. This is what can happen. You know, you can get someone pregnant, you could have a kid, you could do this, you could do that. Well, the opposite of that can happen with a gun. You know, you can end the life. It's it's it literally is. It's like it's kind of let's figure this out, and maybe we'll find out that if there are maybe we'll find these people who have a few more issues and teach them that you know these aren't the things that you need to do. I don't know. The coping mechanisms help them to get to counseling, help them to do there's so many things that have happened in the last five to six years with some other stuff that's going on in the news that has caused a lot of these issues to probably come to light more when kids don't know how to cope. Um, you know, I was talking to my wife yesterday about we're out here in the front and the kids are running around the neighborhood, and my son is I call him crazy. He's just super active. He wants to play all the time, he wants to ride his bike all the time, he wants to be outside all the time. He's he's a little boy. And he was out there, and there was a couple parents walking their kids around, and they were playing with their kids in the cul-de-sac that I live in, and they were talking about being homeschooled. And this is parents want to homeschool their kid, but they're missing out on something in my mind when they get homeschooled. And my wife doesn't quite understand it because I went to public school, she went to a private school that was really small, but our kids, my daughter missed out on, you know, six to seven, six to eight months. Idaho wasn't too bad during the lockdown, but she missed out on part of a school year of social interaction. Now, did that change who she is today? Hard to tell. Could be, could not. But we think that we don't need to socialize anymore because we all got one of these. And so now we learn that we don't have to talk face to face. We don't have to look people in the eye. We don't have to do this. We don't have to do that. And if we avoid, I call it confrontation, but it's not really a confrontation. It's a conversation. We avoid being able to talk to other people. We don't get exposed to those things, like someone calling me the jolly green giant when I was in the fifth grade and me getting pissed off about it and you know learning how to deal with someone making fun of you, right? It just doesn't happen. So we just say, well, we're gonna deal with it this way because we didn't learn how to cope with people. Oh, that person's a bully, and they took out that person because they bullied them. You know, it's this is the scenario that we're going to.

SPEAKER_00 22:57

Well, and you you've you touched on something that you and I know incredibly well. The socialization that takes place on team sports has an incredible impact on your future. Uh, and we know this because we literally can study those that did team sports in junior high and high school and the way they interact with others later on. It doesn't, it's not a it's not a tool where you say everybody that plays team sports ends up this way. That's not it. What we're saying is everybody that plays team sports tends to be able to do what with conflict? To be able to put down conflict to accomplish a greater goal. Right. You know, and I know that I didn't love everybody on my baseball team, basketball team, football team, hockey team. I didn't. But here's the point you you could find common ground, and the common ground was we want to win. The common ground, yes, I'll block for you, yes, I'll do this for you, of course I will. And you know what? Even though we didn't necessarily like each other, we always maintained that common ground where we could go back to later on in years and say, hey, you remember when this happened? And so our common ground wasn't just conflict, it was all these things we accomplished together, or in some cases, some of the things we suffered through, right? That we can remember together. There's a thing about shared suffering, right? Like everybody COVID and they suffered, but unfortunately, COVID, they suffered separately. The shared suffering of a team, a sport, or that kind of thing, or basic training for us, or some advanced training programs. Everybody remembers and everybody are connected by those things. These are the things that we're realizing that make a huge difference in that when you are not uh living your life through a complete iPhone and you're living your life by connecting with people, what happens? You know as well as I do, you can sit and punch keys all day. When you have to face a person and you have to look into their eyes and you have to be sincere, and I don't mean sincere as faking, I mean sincere as being a person, a human being. Hey, man, it's a pleasure to see you today. Here's what I'm doing, here's where I'm going.

SPEAKER_01 25:14

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 25:14

Yeah. And when you do that and you'll be able to convey an idea that you can tell somebody, you can make an elevat elevator pitch, right? Have seven seconds to tell people what you're doing.

SPEAKER_01 25:24

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 25:25

What's your story? If you don't have that interaction and that ability to say that story, and it's not something you can sit there and deliberate for 15 minutes over a text, you have to learn to communicate in a completely different way.

SPEAKER_01 25:40

Yeah.

unknown 25:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:41

And I think that we're going to have to do something different anyway with that, because I feel like as as you're talking about, I'm thinking about this yesterday. I'm walking, we go to the park, we take, you know, we take the kids to the park. Um, and we're walking around, and my daughter doesn't want to go to the park. My son does want to play at the park, and they have like a walking path. So I go walk with my daughter, and my son goes and plays with my wife at the park. You know, she's watching one, so we split it up. I start walking around, and we get to the end and we roll up on this skate park that's there next to the park park where the kids play or whatever. And I see this, I see uh a friend of mine who used to cut my hair at the skate park, and he's like, Hey Wes, what's going on? And we sit there and we start talking for a little bit. My daughter's with me, and I was like, Oh yeah, this is my daughter Tatum. And she just kind of has her head down and her eyes closed, and she's not even looking him in the eye. She can't shake his hand, she can't say hello, she can't, you know, it's like she just doesn't understand. And so I think that, you know, that may uh back in the day we used to say, Oh, that's just a shy kid, you know, but it's not. It's like they just don't know how. They don't know how to sit down at a restaurant and and take an order and tell the waitress thank you when they bring the water or anything like that. Like it's all things that we have to train and teach our kids to do that they missed out on. And I don't know, you know, maybe it's my fault that she doesn't know how to do that, or maybe it's something that she missed at school, or maybe it's just these are just things that that happen anymore. And I I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 27:14

We went into uh an upscale hotel and uh we were checking in, and the ch and the check-in was something my son had taken care of, so I walked in and I said, Hi, I'm Robert, and you know, and they said, Well, you know, we're having a challenge with getting your room ready on time. And the and the young lady is looking at me, and I said, Well, hold on a second, I'm a preferred status, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm guaranteed the room. And immediately when I pushed back, her eyes went down to the screen and she looked for the problem solving in the screen. So she's sitting doing this, and I'm and I'm up here going as as the as the I'm going, uh, okay. She didn't say, wait a minute. She didn't say, hold on a second, sir, let me check. She immediately went to her screen as if she was looking at her iPhone for the solution to the problem, right? Instead of looking at the customer who's in front of her. And the interesting part was my better half was standing there on my shoulder and looking, looking over and going, hmm, we both watched this go on for like 10 minutes where the little girl did not look up. And I thought to myself, wow, you're on an upper end hotel talking to an older customer who's a preferred member of your whatever elite whatever status, and you're looking at a screen. You could have you could have very easily said, looked at looked him square in the eye and said, sir, give me a moment. If you go take a seat, I over there, I will get somebody to come get you a cold drink and let me solve the problem. No, it was lock eyes down. Yeah. And I was going, wow. Okay, when did that start?

SPEAKER_01 29:12

Yeah, it's it's pretty amazing. You know, it's it's where we're at. And I think that we have to figure those things out. But it starts at the top, right? We all have to be more better about it. And as we were talking about it, I was just thinking, you know, maybe I just need to get my daughter and I need to just create a list of prompts of things that we got to talk about and make her have a conversation with me every day for 30 minutes about this or that, you know.

SPEAKER_00 29:35

Well, does it work out to be right? Does it work out to be a disability? I mean, in other words, because we talk about skills. I was talking to my my kids as they get ready to go to college, and I said, listen, I want you to understand that college is a really neat thing at the end of four years or in the graduate school, you get these little certificates, you can hang on the wall, they're really, really neat. But here's the thing, they really don't matter. Yeah. And they're like, well, Dad, you're like, you got all kinds of no, no, hold on. You develop skills inside of those degrees along the way. For example, you take a language class, you walk out with, I speak German, you walk out with, you walk out with these skills. It's not just a certificate, you gotta look at the skills-based stuff that you get inside. Like, don't take a communications class to pass the communications class. Take the communications class to learn how to speak. Yep. You know, this this is you you've got to look at skills-based. Right. And so once they started understanding that, they went, oh, I get it now. This I can literally set in some in front of somebody and say, I can do that for you. I can sell, I can do this, I can do that. There were skills I learned along the way. My son got an EMT, my other son is a chef. I mean, these are they're leaving school with degrees that do not match what they did while they were in college, but they're skills that are on the resume and things that they can do. Really, really important.

SPEAKER_01 31:02

Yep. Yeah, and that's it. I mean, you know, when your kid looks at you and goes, how do you talk to everyone? How do you how do you have all these friends? How do you do this? How do you do that? And you're just like, Well, I just do it. We have to do it. That's all there is to it. So great conversation, Robert, as usual. Um, hope that everyone in Twin Falls is safe and that, you know, we get this thing figured out with the shooting over there. Um, I want to, you know, before we go, real quick, I just want to say one thing. Make sure that you listen to the entire story. We put these clips up for people to see to, you know, kind of get them to go to the full episode, and it doesn't always happen that way, but we get a lot of comments, and I got one that we didn't talk about today, maybe we'll talk about it next week, where people are making this assumption that we're talking about certain things because they are, you know, they are what they are. They're like, oh, it's such a short stinger clip to get you to go listen to the whole episode, but you don't do that. You do that in your everyday life as well. You have to be willing to go look at the whole story, not just part of it, because you would actually hear a very interesting, good conversation about what is going on with whatever it is if you would go listen to the rest of it. So Robert, where can people find you? What do you got going on this week?

SPEAKER_00 32:17

Um writing about uh speaking of worldviews, I'm writing about Vladimir Putin's worldview at Global Strategy Institute.substack.com.

SPEAKER_01 32:27

Check that out, and you can catch myself shaping success, Treasure Valley Shaping Success with Wes Tankers Lee, two nobodies who know nothing, right here with Robert Watson and myself and Wondering Wednesday at seven o'clock Pacific Standard Time on Instagram live with my friend Jay Finning. Robert, we'll see ya next week.

SPEAKER_00 32:46

Absolutely have a great week.

SPEAKER_01 32:47

Me too. Maybe.